New to graphite, need tips on how to maximize its effectiveness

Rajatabla_RacingPR Wednesday, 11/12/2025

As the title says, I need tips and tricks on using graphite. Got a fresh tube of PineCar XLR8 in the mail today and so far with the tests I've done it's worked very good, but I think I'm not getting the most out of it. I heard using too much does more harm than good, but how much is too much? Also, I heard diluting it in isopropyl alcohol helps with distribution, but how do I mix it, and how do I apply it? Currently I'm just pouring it right into the wheel bore and onto the axle and spinning the wheel so it coats the bore. Any help is much appreciated!



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Hey there,

There are many different ways to lube a car,

You have asked specifically re graphite methods. There are several good vids on youtube. Here are a couple that may assist you.

Cheers good luck.

youtu.be/kZTjRLwTZYQ?si=1sGi6dqPpM3uRSnN

youtu.be/EQ6LuLHw4E8?si=-peEiBPmpCHJ6A5m

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Chris_Hood 11/12/25

A video on mixing and applying "alcophite"

youtu.be/U2awNyyiFt0?si=vnYuAWT-dhB_obPq

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Chris_Hood 11/12/25

Further reading 

Which graphite products and recipes do you use? - Redline Derby Racing share.google/BirBAR1RiSne2hyQf

The whole "Modding and Performance" forum has nuggets of wisdom in it

I know a fella experimenting with tungsten disulfide powder (WS2) 


  • I could've sworn this post was deleted along with the BLR one because I couldn't for the life of me find it! Thank you for the link and for the video you made. o7 — Rajatabla_RacingPR

graphite is a dead end and can never be as fast as synthetic lubes.


  • Yeah it appears many racers have outgrown graphite based lube mixes. Everyone starts somewhere — Chris_Hood
  • indeed... — Stoopid_Fish_Racing
  • It still works on cars you don't want to disassemble. graf/moly/alcohol mix is what I use if I don't pull/uncrimp the axles. Also use it for my train gears, and misc around the house. — dr_dodge
  • not saying it doesn't have its uses... for our racing purposes, graphite does not have the same abilities. — Stoopid_Fish_Racing
  • So the takeaway is, graphite is better than nothing, but gets you only so far. Is it a matter of raw improvement, longevity of effect, or both? Huh, can't seem to find the "BLR Secret Sauce" blockbuster post anymore here — Chris_Hood
  • Agreed, but I'm looking for a lube to use in "fresh out the box" racing, where you can't prep you bore and axle for oils, and where silicone won't dry quick enough. Graphite seems like the best choice in that regard. — Rajatabla_RacingPR
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AbbyNormal 11/12/25

Welcome to red line and racing. Let me drop a few facts on you and then like many things you will have to dig around and make your own choices. As to graphite, there is no magic mix or formula that certainly mixing it with some isopropyl alcohol will give you a little better penetration into the wheel axle hub. And I can say in my case before March 2024, I had never raced a hot wheels or really even owned a hot wheels. But I do know that using graphite only along with a lot of work in testinghas taken me from somewhere in the back of the pack to somewhere in the front half of the the pack. I can also certainly agree that the right liquid lubricant will certainly outperform graphite. But there are more than a few caveats around that claim. In my testing of various silicone and synthetic lubricants The results can vary quite a bit based on the product Or whatever products you have combined. I can also say that once you have applied your choice of juice, it will slowly begin to alter as it is exposed to the atmosphere. Whether that change beneficial or detrimental is again depending on what the product is. On the flipside of all of that is the fact that graphite is just graphite. It's not gonna change greatly over a long periods of time or exposure to the oxygen. Is also not typically going to attract dust and pet hair. 

so once again, welcome to the party be sure to ask a lot of questions and you'll have to make your choices as you see fit. You can look at my YouTube channel and I got a couple of things on applications of graphite. This was all dictated so I hope that the speech recognition didn't mangle it too badly


  • it did well. polished axles vs just trued. you can over polish, over sand, and over lube. welcome to the journey — dr_dodge
  • "exposed to the atmosphere" leave the oxidized coating on the axle to increase shear, orig coating resists oxy for a while. Grind the dry into the plastic wheel — dr_dodge
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redlinederby 11/12/25
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There's a whole collection of topics about lubes and graphite...it's all in The Forum, give it a browse.

www.redlinederby.com/forum/collection/axle-lube/74


  • don't see the blue line one, was it deleted? it explained what was a good lube, and caused friction, too. it needs the original post listed again for newbs. — dr_dodge
  • I have the whole Blueline thread copied and pasted as a document on my computer. Information like that is too good to be deleted. — SpyDude
  • I actually had a comment down on that thread about the best silicone spray brand that the local vets in my area have been using for years. I'll comment it here to just in case anyone wants to go down the silicone route, it's called Hi-Gear Gold Silicone Spray. — Rajatabla_RacingPR
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SpyDude 11/12/25

I've used graphite before, including the very same one that you had mentioned. 
Generally, when I was still using dry graphite, I would pour a little into the wheel, then work it around with a small paintbrush, and try to get as much of it down into the wheel and onto the axle as possible.  I also would dust BEHIND the wheel, where it rubbed against the frame, so there would be less friction there, as well.

I tried the alcohol/graphite mix--more than likely I screwed it up, because the performance was pretty poor. I tried it like two, three times, and gave up, mainly because I could not get the consistency right for putting on the axles. This is not to say that the "alcophite" doesn't work.... it just didn't for me.

I know, not a lot to go on, but that's what I got in my experience.

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X2Whiskey 11/13/25

In my opinion, graphite is a great place to start as a first lube when getting into the hobby.  You'll learn a lot of things that apply to lubing in general that will always be applicable.  If anything there's a relatively short period from lubing to rolling on the track, if you apply dry.  If you start to use alcohol you should wait long enough for it dry.  The alcohol's only purpose is to deliver the graphite more easily into all the nooks and crannies without throwing dust every where.  And you definately don't want to inhale any of it.  Graphite is made up of carbon atoms, which are organic and can build up in your lungs.  Look up black lung.

Anyways, I am pretty frugal.  When I was using graphite I got tired of all the tapping, wheel rotating/working and mess I had to deal with.  I tried the graphite alcohol premix and found that my applicator would clog after the first wheel 90% of the time.  Clearing the clog would just waste valuable product.  So Instead I started piling the graphite onto the outer hub where the axle head pretrudes and formed a little hill over it.  Then I'd wet it with alcohol and rotate the wheel intil it all went down.  This also had the added effect of flowing graphite down into the chassis interier along the axle.  And with no airborne dust!  But like I said, I'd wait until the alcohol evaporated off.

CAUTION:  Alcohol weakens the bond of the gilded foil paints on wheels and chrome painted chassis(esses?)!  You'll find your wheel paint jobs getting thrashed...

Also, you may notice your cars losing their speed after 3 months or so.  Even if all they've been doing is sitting and not rolling, which means it's time for a, "Rework."  I didn't want to rework my entire ranks every 3 months, even I hadn't been playing with them, so I moved on to a technique shown by Diecast Show Customs on his YouTube channel.  So far that technique hasn't shown me any, "Expiration Dates."

Enjoy your journey Sir, it is actually 95% of the hobby in my opinion.  Researching, expirimenting and learning.  I'd like to share the other parts of the equation, but I am relatively new to the scene and the veterans don't take kindly to the free sharing of the best techniques it would seem.  Personally I'd love to see everyone at the same level and have every event be a suspenseful and exciting one.


  • A very fair input. Cheers. — CutRock_R_Marc_D
  • Do you happen to have the link for the video from Diecast SHow Customs? — SpyDude
  • https://www.youtube.com/c/DiecastShowCustoms You're going to have to search out the specific for yourself. All that work creating and sharing content is worthy of a few extra views. — X2Whiskey
  • Happened to come across it again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJE6t_uVBEc&t=17s timestamp at 46:56. And thank you for sharing the Hi-Gear Gold previously. — X2Whiskey
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